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		<title>Our Last Newsletter as YWAMers</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In September of 1994 Dave picked Jen up from the Burbank Airport in Southern California as she began her involvement in Youth With A Mission. That day was the beginning of a friendship that would later turn into a romance which rolled into a beautiful family&#8230;.
Well through much conversation and debate Jen and I are leaving YWAM. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In September of 1994 Dave picked Jen up from the Burbank Airport in Southern California as she began her involvement in Youth With A Mission. That day was the beginning of a friendship that would later turn into a romance which rolled into a beautiful family&#8230;.</p>
<p>Well through much conversation and debate Jen and I are leaving YWAM.  October 2008 will be that last month we will receive YWAM monthly support.  Thanks to all of you who have given to us over the years. Wow!</p>
<p>One of the early posts here in the blog I talk about <a href="http://kiwiupover.com/not-the-same-newsletter">newsletters</a> and how we couldn&#8217;t write the same old letters we used to write if we were living in a missional way. So I think it is fitting to post our last newsletter.</p>
<p>I have attached our last YWAM newsletter to this post for your reading pleasure. </p>
<p>Peace</p>
<p>Dave </p>
<p>I have include some pictures of the kids on the second page of the letter. I hope you enjoy.</p>
<p><a href="http://kiwiupover.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/the-last-letter-with-photos.pdf">Our Last Newsletter as YWAMers</a></p>
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		<title>The Roadshow</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 15:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I sit in a smoothie joint in Fort worth TX, I want to fill you in on my happenings this summer. I&#8217;m the tech and driver for the church basement roadshow. My brother in law Mark Scandrette and two of his friends Doug Pagitt and Tony Jones have written books for Jossey Bass and we are [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I sit in a smoothie joint in Fort worth TX, I want to fill you in on my happenings this summer. I&#8217;m the tech and driver for the <a href="http://churchbasementroadshow.com" title="church basement roadshow" target="_blank" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/churchbasementroadshow.com');">church basement roadshow</a>. My brother in law Mark Scandrette and two of his friends Doug Pagitt and Tony Jones have written books for Jossey Bass and we are on the road promoting the books. <a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/churchbasementroadshow/2008/05/the-church-basement-roadshow-s.html" target="_blank" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/blog.beliefnet.com');">Check the tour schedule</a>. </p>
<p><object width="400" height="225"><param name="allowfullscreen" value="true" /><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always" /><param name="movie" value="http://www.vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=1370671&amp;server=www.vimeo.com&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=&amp;fullscreen=1" /><embed src="http://www.vimeo.com/moogaloop.swf?clip_id=1370671&amp;server=www.vimeo.com&amp;show_title=1&amp;show_byline=1&amp;show_portrait=0&amp;color=&amp;fullscreen=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowscriptaccess="always" width="400" height="225"></embed></object><br /><a href="http://www.vimeo.com/1370671?pg=embed&#038;sec=1370671" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.vimeo.com');">Church Basement Roadshow!</a> from <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/user500482?pg=embed&#038;sec=1370671" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.vimeo.com');">Doug Pagitt</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com?pg=embed&#038;sec=1370671" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/vimeo.com?pg=embed&#038;sec=1370671');">Vimeo</a></p>
<p>We are heading up the east coast from New Orleans to New York the over to Indiana. If you are along the route I would love to hook up.</p>
<p>Peace</p>
<p>Dave</p>
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		<title>It&#8217;s Me It&#8217;s Me</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#8217;s me it&#8217;s me I&#8217;m part of this Community it&#8217;s me was the words that my son, Zack was singing this morning.

Community comes up all the time in conversation. Not only around the missional church discussion but at my favorite coffee shop, Cloud City too. The conversation cafe held at cloud city Wednesday nights inevitably [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s me it&#8217;s me I&#8217;m part of this Community it&#8217;s me was the words that my son, Zack was singing this morning.</p>
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<p>Community comes up all the time in conversation. Not only around the missional church discussion but at my favorite coffee shop, Cloud City too. The conversation cafe held at cloud city Wednesday nights inevitably ends up with some banter around community and where can we create more of it.&#8221;I&#8217;m lonely!&#8221; I hear it often, I hear it in the stories and see it in the faces I encounter in my neighborhood. We are living an isolating, individual life style that keep us from knowing our neighbors and so on. Reality shows and all. We have all heard the rhetoric.</p>
<p>So what is it and how do we create it?</p>
<p>First let me define the community I&#8217;m talking about. The place where we feel we belong, a place where we are able to be ourselves. A place to be known. I&#8217;m not talking about the our neighborhood.</p>
<p>So what to do? What are the ways forward?</p>
<p>I have been thinking, community is not what I receive from being part of a group of people, it is what I bring, what I create, and give. I was standing outside a mates place in 1998 realizing I was a crap friend. God help me learn to be a good friend became my prayer. In me becoming a friend I learned what it means to be a friend. I noticed how other people were friends to me, the way they used their phones to called me back, the way they would listen became examples of a good friend. I think about community is the same way in that a friendship is one other person and a community is with a group of people.</p>
<p>Friendships are the basis of any community so if your not able to be a friend you will not be very helpful to a community. In the structures of communities friendships are the basis then comes families (in the most generous sense of the word) then community then neighborhoods, towns, cities and so on.</p>
<p>Hospitality is a huge part of being in community. Are we willing to allow people in to our places. I&#8217;m not talking about Martha Stewart style hospitality, but the kind of hospitality  that allows the visitor to really know who you are. There is this little story about Jesus, right after he was baptized by John, two of John&#8217;s disciples came up to Jesus, &#8220;show us where you are staying&#8221; they asked. The story goes on, Jesus showed them where he was staying and spent the rest of the day with them. <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%201:%2035-39;&amp;version=65;" target="_blank" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.biblegateway.com');">John 1</a></p>
<p>If we are to be people that create community we need to allow people to know us, to know where we live, what our bedrooms look like, how we keep our computer desktops. My bedroom at home is not always in order, If I was not married to Jen it would not be in order very often, however I think people get a good picture of who I am if they get to see my bedroom. Try it out next time people come over, give them the grand tour. Do they feel more relaxed and willing to offer more of themselves seeing more of who you are?</p>
<p>Openness is another part of the way Jesus lived his life. The people around him, knew when he went out to pray early in the morning. How he interacted with a woman getting water. I bet they new how long it took him to take a dump. Do we allow people to know us to that degree. Do we invite others to journey through life with us.</p>
<p>If you have ever been on a camping trip you know what I mean. Your fellow campers know what time you get up in the morning, know how you tended a fire, cook food. After a camping trip we feel closer to one another because we know each other. Could this be away to live in an urban environment.</p>
<p>Maybe as we allow people into the dark corners of our houses they will allow us into the dusty corners of their lives allowing us to reciprocate.</p>
<p>I want to be someone who creates community for others and just maybe it will be a place for me to be known.</p>
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		<itunes:subtitle>It's me it's me I'm part of this Community it's me was the words that my son, Zack was singing this morning.



Community comes up all ...</itunes:subtitle>
		<itunes:summary>It's me it's me I'm part of this Community it's me was the words that my son, Zack was singing this morning.



Community comes up all the time in conversation. Not only around the missional church discussion but at my favorite coffee shop, Cloud City too. The conversation cafe held at cloud city Wednesday nights inevitably ends up with some banter around community and where can we create more of it."I'm lonely!" I hear it often, I hear it in the stories and see it in the faces I encounter in my neighborhood. We are living an isolating, individual life style that keep us from knowing our neighbors and so on. Reality shows and all. We have all heard the rhetoric.

So what is it and how do we create it?

First let me define the community I'm talking about. The place where we feel we belong, a place where we are able to be ourselves. A place to be known. I'm not talking about the our neighborhood.

So what to do? What are the ways forward?

I have been thinking, community is not what I receive from being part of a group of people, it is what I bring, what I create, and give. I was standing outside a mates place in 1998 realizing I was a crap friend. God help me learn to be a good friend became my prayer. In me becoming a friend I learned what it means to be a friend. I noticed how other people were friends to me, the way they used their phones to called me back, the way they would listen became examples of a good friend. I think about community is the same way in that a friendship is one other person and a community is with a group of people.

Friendships are the basis of any community so if your not able to be a friend you will not be very helpful to a community. In the structures of communities friendships are the basis then comes families (in the most generous sense of the word) then community then neighborhoods, towns, cities and so on.

Hospitality is a huge part of being in community. Are we willing to allow people in to our places. I'm not talking about Martha Stewart style hospitality, but the kind of hospitality  that allows the visitor to really know who you are. There is this little story about Jesus, right after he was baptized by John, two of John's disciples came up to Jesus, "show us where you are staying" they asked. The story goes on, Jesus showed them where he was staying and spent the rest of the day with them. John 1

If we are to be people that create community we need to allow people to know us, to know where we live, what our bedrooms look like, how we keep our computer desktops. My bedroom at home is not always in order, If I was not married to Jen it would not be in order very often, however I think people get a good picture of who I am if they get to see my bedroom. Try it out next time people come over, give them the grand tour. Do they feel more relaxed and willing to offer more of themselves seeing more of who you are?

Openness is another part of the way Jesus lived his life. The people around him, knew when he went out to pray early in the morning. How he interacted with a woman getting water. I bet they new how long it took him to take a dump. Do we allow people to know us to that degree. Do we invite others to journey through life with us.

If you have ever been on a camping trip you know what I mean. Your fellow campers know what time you get up in the morning, know how you tended a fire, cook food. After a camping trip we feel closer to one another because we know each other. Could this be away to live in an urban environment.

Maybe as we allow people into the dark corners of our houses they will allow us into the dusty corners of their lives allowing us to reciprocate.

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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 19:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thomas Ryan many years ago told me a story that described the process I was in navigating from an old school christian life to a post-modern vibrant way. I have retold that story many times and more than thrice in the last month. So I thought I would share it here.
&#8220;Dave,&#8221; Thomas said &#8220;it is [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img src="http://kiwiupover.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/thomas-and-fee-ryan.jpg" alt="Thomas and Fee Ryan" align="right" width="250" />Thomas Ryan many years ago told me a story that described the process I was in navigating from an old school christian life to a post-modern vibrant way. I have retold that story many times and more than thrice in the last month. So I thought I would share it here.</p>
<p>&#8220;Dave,&#8221; Thomas said &#8220;it is like you are living on land and you want to be living in the ocean. As you move toward the ocean you get caught up in the waves along the shore so you head back to the land. Sometimes you get out into the ocean a bit but sure enough you head back to land.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thomas was totally right. Today I feel like I&#8217;m living in the oceans I pushed through the wave and beach breakers. I the process was very difficult however I&#8217;m comfortable here. My language has changed, I&#8217;m content with my questions,  I see the gospel in much broader ways, and I feel comfortable hanging out with other people living in a postmodern context. A long the way I have found many other fantastic people braving the waves to live in a new way.</p>
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		<title>Friends and Über spiritual language.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been wondering if christians who use an über spiritual language have any friends outside church. I mean friends that are involved in your life. I don&#8217;t think they do. How could someone outside the church relate with that type of language.
I think back over my life and remember a few time people telling [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_kiqwQFfvKng/RgG_qVztoxI/AAAAAAAAAAU/a4e-0VrqXdo/s1600-h/geagort.jpg" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/bp1.blogger.com');" rel="lightbox"><img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_kiqwQFfvKng/RgG_qVztoxI/AAAAAAAAAAU/a4e-0VrqXdo/s320/geagort.jpg" border="0" alt=""id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5044523791761122066" /></a>I have been wondering if christians who use an über spiritual language have any friends outside church. I mean friends that are involved in your life. I don&#8217;t think they do. How could someone outside the church relate with that type of language.</p>
<p>I think back over my life and remember a few time people telling me I was to heavenly minded to be any earthly use. Also there were many years I didn&#8217;t have friends outside of my christian world. Mate you should have heard my language back then too. I hope that I&#8217;m getting closer to a language that people around me could understand and connect with.</p>
<p>My friend Gea Gort is a journalist in Holland, writing for the best paper in town on spiritual subjects which were really well received in the very post christian culture. She says the reason why she can write this way is because she has deep friendships with non christians.</p>
<p>I think it is an important skill and way of life for a missional person. We need to be people who speak of spiritual things in an earthy everyday language.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last night I wept from the beginning to end of the film &#8220;Amazing Grace.&#8221; William Wilberforce a member of English Parliament lived a life that allowed the Kingdom of God change his life and in turn saw God change his country and the world.  This film tells the story of Wilberforce and his struggle [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/amazinggrace/trailer/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.apple.com');"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_kiqwQFfvKng/RecxcOu7XnI/AAAAAAAAAAM/ABGXDQOT77o/s320/amazinggrace.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5037049069298212466" border="0" /></a><br />Last night I wept from the beginning to end of the film &#8220;<a href="http://www.amazinggracemovie.com/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.amazinggracemovie.com');">Amazing Grace</a>.&#8221; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wilberforce" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/en.wikipedia.org');">William Wilberforce</a> a member of English Parliament lived a life that allowed the Kingdom of God change his life and in turn saw God change his country and the world.  This film tells the story of Wilberforce and his struggle for abolish the slave trade in England, which changed the world wide slave trade. I think the film makers did a great job showing the integration of his faith and his work.</p>
<p>Next week I&#8217;m hosting a discussion called &#8220;Working for God&#8221; to help empower people to see how their faith can be huge part of their work. Wilberforce was a man who integrated his faith into his daily life that has in turn changed the world. He help found the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (SPCA) among other things. I think the way we have been taught to follow God has separated our spirituality and humanity. The integration of those two is where a missional life begins.</p>
<p>This year marks 200 years since the abolition of the slave trade in England however there are still a huge number of people trafficked and enslaved in horrible working environments around the world today. <a href="http://stopthetraffik.org/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/stopthetraffik.org');">Stop the Traffik</a> is one group of people working today to stop the underground slave trade. Also check out <a href="http://www.onevoicetoendslavery.com/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.onevoicetoendslavery.com');">onevoicetoendslavery.com</a></p>
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